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In <4ndv5q$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>Hey
>  I'm trying to find a suitible surface for griptape on a skateboard.
Its black
>with hundreds of tiny shiny bumps.  I just can't seem to find the
right surface.
>Any suggestions?

Grab some griptape, light it and capture a frame.

AC


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From: Wooly Mittens <[e-mail]>
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Subject: LW 5 ???
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Can somebody lease explain to me what this is all about.
I haven't heard anything about it in computermagazines
or outside this group.

Is it an overall new version, or is it bound to a specific
format, like Windoze95 or Unix.

Wooly Mittens.

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Koren)
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[e-mail] (Ralph Messana) wrote:

> It requires 3.1? Boy does that bite.

Well, it means you'll have to get 3.1, but believe me it is a much
better OS than 2.04.  You'll be glad for it in the long run.  3.1 is
required if you want to use 16 and 24 bit modes on graphics cards,
anyway, as far as I know.  Maybe even required for 8 bit modes, but I'm
not as sure about that.

  - steve

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From: Steve Hurley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Humanoid: Does it comes functional with bones & IK?
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Eddie wrote:
>
> Anyone knows if the human models in Humanoid comes with
> functional bones and IK target points or we have to set it up
> ourselves in order to animate it.
>
> Where can I get more info? Is there a web page somewhere?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Eddie Quah
> CyberTech

    Check out the Crestline homepage at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/crestline/
--
Steve Hurley
Visit My Lightwave Page
http://world.std.com/~shurley

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From: Gwynne Reddick <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: iff to jpeg
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In article <[e-mail]>, "Stephen R." <[e-mail]>
writes
>Does anyone know of a good IFF to Jpeg batch processer for Intel/NT?

Graphics Workshop.

Gwynne.

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From: Ernie Wright <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: lw4 layout preview not compatible with some video cards?
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:18:08 -0400
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Hordur Smari Johannesson wrote:

> I'm using lw4 on my win31 system with a cirrus 54xx vlb video card.
> I read in some faq that the preview in layout didn't work with some
> video drivers/cards.  Well it doesn't work for me.. I can only see
> the axis' moving when trying to preview my anim.  Anyone have the
> same problem and fixed it?? please help

There's no solution for this other than getting a better driver for the
card, or getting a new card.  Wireframe previews under LW 4.0 store 4
frames per bitmap to conserve Windows 3.1 resources, and there are some
display drivers that don't handle this properly.

As of 5.0, LW no longer supports Win32s, and wireframe previews no longer
do tricks to conserve 16-bit Windows resources.

- Ernie



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From: Robert Baldwin <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Stranahan in actionHEY STRANAHAN!!!!
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[e-mail] wrote:
> |>
> |>Robert Baldwin <[e-mail]> wrote:
> |>
> |>I'm not into criticizing anyone, I generally respect your talents and
> |>am not concerns with your rants re:Newtek but frankly aren't you being
> |>a little hypocritical when you complain about newtek not delivering as
> |>promised or on time yet we have been hearing about your cdrom and now
> |>about your brothers tapes (which I eagerly await), if you can deliver
> |>what you promise it will be worth the money, but where is it? It
> |>sounded to me like you already shot it and pretty much ready for the
> |>market. What is the status?
> |>                                 Still waiting (with anticipation)


that wasn't me.....
 It's a misquote....
I couldn't care less..... =)

-rob

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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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Subject: Re: AVID MEDIA GROUP TAKEOVER ALARM BELLS!!!
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But when they do...
--------------------------------------------

They'll shut down VTU and fold it into another book....LWPro, too, maybe

That's my bet, but I don't really know anything 'inside' - this is pure
conjecture.

Lee Stranahan

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From: [e-mail] ("Glyn Williams")
Subject: Re: HAS ANYBODY OUTSIDE THE US RECEIVED THE COMPILATION BOOK OR THE MARCH ISSUE
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Yes, but I had an article in it and so got a freebie :-)

Glyn Williams

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From: [e-mail] (Chris Golchert)
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Subject: Re: Where to get it?
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RazorKiD05 ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Could someone tell me if I should buy a Flyer system from Tristate
: computer which is cheaper then getting it from my Dealer. Help would be
: great!

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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Subject: Re: Shareware evaluation
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (martin sack) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (martin sack)
>Subject: Shareware evaluation
>Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:29:03 GMT


>Does anyone know if there is a shareware version of lightwave 3D for
>me to evaluate?   If there is one where do you get it ?

>thanks
>Chris
>If you think I speak for my employer,He'll be happy to correct you !

>All unsolicited commercial email will be proof read at a charge
>of usd 100.00.By accepting this contract you agree that all disputes fall under
>the jurisdiction of the magistrates court of Johannesburg, South Africa.

So, how much should you be charged for making multiple duplicate usenet group
posts?

There is no shareware version of LW.  It is commercial software only.




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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
>Date: Wed, 22 May 96 07:46:36 GMT

>On 5/21/96 5:52PM, in message <4nu302$[e-mail]>, Rick May
><[e-mail]> wrote:

>> In article <[e-mail]>,
>>
>> ->> grow up Fred!
>> ->> Your consistent immaturity on this thread is giving LW-users a bad name.
>> ->>
>> ->> Sit back smoke and jay and read some of your old posts on this thread and
>> ->> think a little before you go freaking out.  Silence is an option.
>> ->>
>> ->
>> ->Excuse me for not sitting back an accepting the incompetence of the other
>> ->posters.  Excuse me for paying attention in school.  Excuse me for not
>> ->rejoicing in mediocrity.
>>
>>
>> I agree.. There are more important things to talk about than spelling or
>> sentence structure.  If the only thing you can find to comment on, from a
>> post, is the spelling- then just keep quiet.
>>
>>
>> rick
>>

>That's what you were commenting on to in that post.

>--
>                      -=Fred=-

No.  He was commenting on etiquette - or rather "netiquette".  It is generally
accepted that criticizing spelling and grammar errors is USUALLY
non-productive due to the relatively spontaneous nature of most posts.  Just
as we don't generally point out someone's failure to pronounce words correctly
or to form complete sentences in verbal discourse.  And if we do, we often do
so in a more private and discrete manner.  Like, "By the way Joe, it is
pronounced "soft-imoj" with a soft "j" sound."

Of course these matters are a open to interpretation and judgement.  For
instance, I feel compelled to comment on the poorly formed sentence you just
posted - ". . . commented on to in that post."  The "to" in unnecessary and
makes the sentence cumbersome.  I choose to point it out here only to bring to
the forfront how non-productive this type of commentary is.  I wouldn't be
surprised to find a significant grammar error in my own post either.



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I'm confused.  Are you saying it Boolean doesn't work right or you can't
get it to work at all.  First, turn two sided off - make all objects one
sided.  (Objects option smenu).  Build a ball in layer.  Say you want to
make it flat on a side.  Build a box in another layer.  With the box in
the FG layer (highlighted) and the ball in the BG layer (lower row on
layer buttons on so that Ball is in black wireframe) position the box -
overlapping it over the ball.  Then reverse layers (either use the layer
buttons or just hit the     '     key.  Now the box should be black wire
and the ball should be white (foreground).  Select Boolean and subject and
do it.  The cube should cut away the ball whereever it overlaps the ball.
It is pretty simple.  Note - if you've already named the surface of the
ball, you can also name the box surfaces - BEFORE you Boolean -- then the
area the box cuts out will aquire the Box's surface names.  This is useful
when using one complex object to drill out another and you don't want to
have to go in a select all the newly created polygons to give them a
different color.  Naming surfaces is a very basic function that needs to
be done if you want your ojectes to have different colors on their
surface.  Any 3D program out there that doesn't have that capability is
not worth using.

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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Baker)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: PC Flyer? WHEN!?!?
Date: Wed, 22 May 96 14:45:05
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On Tue 21-May-1996 17:28 , Jean-Eric Hénault wrote:
JH> B Hayes wrote:
JH> >
JH> > RazorKiD04 wrote:
JH> > >
JH> > > Thanx for the info. So if a get the Cheapest A4000, or A4000T, the
JH> flyer
JH> > > won't slowdown when i load big project, or Big effects?
JH> >
JH> > No! the speed of the computer has little effect on the speed of your
JH> editing. The software is Lite compared to what goes on in the hardware
JH> of
JH> > the card. Also remember that "The Flyer card that goes in your Amiga
JH> will come out, and go into the PC-Flyer." saving you some cash down the
JH> > road. As for the Release date... The roumers that I heard were that Beta
JH> Boxes MAY be going out as soon as August. and that they were aiming
JH> > for NAB '97 for a release announcment.
JH> > --
JH> > Brad Hayes
JH> > http://www.pacificnet.net/~bjhayes

JH> NewTek has been announcing the Flyer for Windows for over a year now.
JH> And they still don't have anything to show. The Flyer for the Amiga was
JH> almost a year late. So was LightWave.

JH> Unfortunatelly, all the "smart" people at NewTek have left the company a
JH> long time ago.  God, I miss the old NewTek, I just watched some of the
JH> old NT demo-tapes of the day. They were so cool!!

JH> Save your cash, and wait until Digital Studio comes out with Trinity.
JH> That'll blow the Flyer away, not only in features but in price too!!

JH> NewTek only lives because of LightWave, and even then, I wonder if
JH> NewTek is not the worst thing that ever happened to LightWave, just like
JH> What Commodore was to the Amiga. - History repeats itself. This is so
JH> sad.

JH> Jean-Eric

We showed working prototype hardware at NAB 95, and we showed completed
hardware at NAB 96.  The software is not complete, and the current host
machine code is being ported to Java, and will be completed in that language,
barring some modules with a need for speed that will be written in C++ or
assembler, as is deemed appropriate.

We are projecting release for first quarter 97, at this time.

Some very good people, both in marketing and development, are no longer with
the company, and marketing in particular has not been rebuilt to former
staffing levels nor to former budgeting levels.  In development, we have
acquired new staff.  In terms of how they may compare with previous staff, the
proof will be in the pudding, when the products release in which they have
been the primary developers.  The newer staffers are all successful,
experienced programmers and engineers.  I can say that there were things that
former staff vetoed as impossible or too difficult to do in the Flyer
software, that were implemented within a couple of weeks after those staff had
departed (case in point, 10-frames as the smallest possible event duration vs
2-frames).

In point of fact, both Trinity and the Toaster for Windows were "announced" at
NAB 95, and if projections hold true, then both will come to fruition about
the same time.  Setting aside the spin doctoring that goes on here which
portrays the length of time NewTek has taken on our project as a bad thing
while the length of time that Play has taken with Trinity is a good thing
(when does a not equal a?  In politics and market-speak), sounds like things
are running about as could be expected in both camps.


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Hi all,

I have been a LW user for about 1/2 year already ... so-called. The reason I said so-called is because everytime
I can't model some simple operations, I have to abort the whole project and use other program instead. Take
Boolean subtraction for example, I have been flipping the manual's pages until they are torn, I have been posting
numerous messages into the Net (which eventually people think I am a wacko), I have been looking into LWPro, VTU,
etc ... to find answers, but still, I can't even do a simple boolean subtraction. What's wrong??? Am I a 3D
novice? Not really, at least I would consider myself. I have been using StudioPro and Macromodel for more than 3
years and until lately, I tried LW 'cuz I wanna jump to the PC platform. I know my insight is correct that PC 3D
programs somehow are better/much powerful than the Mac's. But guess what I eventually jumped back to? StudioPro.
Take the Boolean thing for instance. I can do it in SPro in 3 steps, visualized subtracted 3D. LW? I can NEVER
(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) get it done!!!!!!!!!!
NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The more I write these !s, the more I am frustrated. Am I a stupid 3D person? NO!!! But how come I can't even
Boolean subtract??? See, SPro's approach is using 2 3D 'solid' object, then subtract; while LW ... I can even
figure that out now: surfaces??? Why surfaces??? What if I want to model a 'SOLID' cube subtracting a 'SOLID'
sphere? The subtracted residue is always distorted. Not to mention the PowerView which is NEVER correct. Why
1-side and 2-side? I want SOLID, not hollow inside. And see, ... I am VERY PISSED AND UPSET. I have to go back to
2D Painter JUST because I can't get LW's Boolean operation done.

I always fly solo. I usually find solutions easily in SPro, but LW? Maybe a little advance, a little arduous for
me. Upgrade to LW 5? I want Meta-Nurb or whatever meta-nuts they have. The dream I always have about 3D from day
1 I join this community is doing organic modeling, but ... how would I upgrade when I can't even Boolean??? I am
really looking forward to SPro's 2.0 upgrade.

I love LW. I know and I can feel it's power, but I just can't stand even the simple little Boolean obstacle.
Anyone can kindly tell me the key to solve this problem? See, here are the steps I took:

1. Box, Make (in option, it is 2-sides)
2. Sphere, Make (same, 2-sides, and this is in the 2nd layer.

I have made sure that everything in in 3D rather than simple planes.
3. Shift-B, Subtract.
4. Save the layer into Layout and render ...
5. Vola! Just a simple BOX instead of ANY CUT-OUTS!!!

Upset begins from here again. Isn't that simple enough? I am VERY unhappy indeed, as if U have a lot of good
video games but U don't have the home system to run them.


Please, please, please. Any tech from Newtek or ... anyone, ... please help.

I really want to get over this SIMPLE task to ... get me thru this barricade. I know LW is good, that's why I
bought it, but ...


LSam
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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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Subject: Re: PC Flyer? WHEN!?!?
Date: 22 May 1996 20:17:18 -0400
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I repeat - I think Chuck is a good guy.

There are vast differences between Trinty's announcement and the Toaster
For Windows announcement, the major one being that the NewTek announcement
was a sham.

NewTek was telling everybody that Toaster for Windows would ship by the
end of the year, including insiders like VTU. Read the editorials - they
believed it. Tim told people it might ship by the fall(!!!!).

At least Chuck admits that Marketing sucks. My personal opinion - fire
Parsons, fire Donetta, fire everyone connected with the department.  Fire
them now, and hire an outside firm with the hundreds of thousands of
dollars you 'd save. More importantly, get rid of Tim - he's the one
responsible for the downfall of NewTek. It seems to me that he's lost
every friend or key employee he had - name one replacement that's been
better.

 I'm an Ayn Rand fan, Chuck, so when you say A is A I know what that
means. Tim Jenison isn't my idea of a moral ideal - I've heard fiirsthand
how he justifies some awful things, I've seen Tim evade left and right,
and he's a hypocrite. There's a lot I'll say, and some I won't - because I
think the truth would hurt innocent people in his family. Sorry, he's not
a good guy....and actions have consequences.


_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan

"I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm

Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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Subject: Re: Griptape on skateboard.. how?
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In article <4ndv5q$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: Griptape on skateboard.. how?
>Date: Wed, 15 May 96 22:26:40 GMT

>Hey
>  I'm trying to find a suitible surface for griptape on a skateboard.  Its black
>with hundreds of tiny shiny bumps.  I just can't seem to find the right surface.
>Any suggestions?

>Thanx
>--
>==============================================================================
>Hordur Smari Johannesson    | daElcLIppeRlETERELrotArstuDEUtOwc/PatChgnITovErAN
>[e-mail]              | drsdIOaeproduCTIONBOOTHbROWnwaRPMuSIC/EmIMuSIc.HA
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>Joel_ on irc                | rds.PobOx474sHEFFIELDS13bW.mADEINengLAndINCOMPLEt
>                            | ewIthoUtsurFacEnOISE..                 Beam me up

Well, how accurate does it have to be?  How close will you get to the
actual surface.  How about using fractal bumps with a small size and adding a
high specularity or possibly using the same fractal bumps as a specular map.
Color the Surface black.

Alternatively, if you have a paint program try experimenting with making a
bump map with a noise function.  Use that as a bump map and/or specularity
map.

I don't know if this will work, but it seems like it would be a good place to
start.

Note: you could select certain polys on the skateboard as having the grip
surface, or you could make separate grip strips and parent them to the
skateboard.


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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Stranahan in actionHEY STRANAHAN!!!!
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----------------------------
What? No credit for the 5.0 LightWave release. Here is a product that
we did not pre-release, we didnt even  pre-announce it.
----------------------------------

Brad, it was BAD that you didn't 'pre-announce' (ie, promote or market)
it. It's not smart or admirable in any way. No marketing credit at all.
Zero, none - it was stealth marketing - in the meantime, hundreds of
people probably bought Max or other software because they heard that
LightWave didn't have good IK or didn't have OpenGL or couldn't do
projection lights or other.

What do you want credit for? Putting Allen and Stuart and Fori's code on a
CD Rom and getting it in a box? Okay, whatever. Keeping secrets? Why was
it a good idea to keep LightWave's feautures a secret?

You say...
--------------------------------------------------------
 Amidst all the talk of MAX and SoftImage it was difficult to keep quiet,
but we did.
-------------------------------------------------------

In other words, while those products were building buzz, you kept quiet!
Why are you proud of this? Read what you wrote there again - it's horrific
that you could take pride in silence with 'all the talk' of competive
products....seriously, has hanging around the brain-dead Marketeers at
NewTek made you lose IQ points? I know you're smarter than this, Brad.


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I am looking for TREK object for lightwave any ideas WHER I can find some
QUALITY ones?

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Wooly Mittens <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Can somebody lease explain to me what this is all about.

I also wonder, has anyone else gotten a (snail-mail) notice of 5.0?  I
haven't (but I did for 4.0).  If I didn't read this group, I would have
had no idea a 5.0 was even coming this soon.

   - steve

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Richard Green wrote:
>
> I am looking for TREK object for lightwave any ideas WHER I can find some
> QUALITY ones?


Try eather the MeshMart or ViewPoint Web sites. They have lots of ships. ST/STNG/STMP
--
Brad Hayes
http://www.pacificnet.net/~bjhayes

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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In article <4nv63n$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brad Peebler) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Brad Peebler)
>Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Stranahan in actionHEY STRANAHAN!!!!
>Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:00:34 GMT

>Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]> wrote:

>What? No credit for the 5.0 LightWave release. Here is a product that
>we did not pre-release, we didnt even  pre-announce it. We showed up
>at NAB showed it publicly for the first time, announced it to ship
>that week and then shipped it...that week. Amidst all the talk of MAX
>and SoftImage it was difficult to keep quiet, but we did. Not to
>mention (IMHO) 5.0 is an amazing product, if I do say so myself.  ; )

>BP

I for one was happy, thrilled and excited that the 5.0 release did happen -
and happened sooner than I expected.  I had heard preliminary rumors, but I
discounted them.

However, we have multiple LW licenses at our studio and we never received any
notice from NewTek about the release.  Good thing we are "online".

So you did well to deliver "as planned" (or very close to that), but here is
the rub.  If you can deliver on time, then you SHOULD make a big deal about a
new release.

So here is to wishing you guys get both right in the 6.0 release.


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LonerSam <[e-mail]> wrote:

[ A great deal of nonsensical ranting deleted ]

> I have made sure that everything in in 3D rather than simple planes.
> 3. Shift-B, Subtract.
> 4. Save the layer into Layout and render ...
> 5. Vola! Just a simple BOX instead of ANY CUT-OUTS!!!

Perhaps you should read the manual.  You claim to have done this, but
your steps above are not what the manual tells you to do, so either you
did not actually read it, or you ignored what it said.

  - steve

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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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 If I didn't read this group, I would have had no idea a 5.0 was even
coming this soon.
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NewTek is proud of this....



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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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Subject: Re: LightWave notes from E3
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In article <4nrdmd$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stranahan) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
>Subject: Re: LightWave notes from E3
>Date: 20 May 1996 23:35:41 -0400

>Well, I AM being fair - LightWave has stalled momentum, too. I thought I'd
>be fairly clear about that in this forum. You're in an 'ivory tower' of
>sorts, Fred - these products are NOT selling well because they aren't
>being marketed or sold properly.  To broadcast types, sure. To games
>people, okay. But they are not racking up numbers and penetrating in the
>marketplace.

>A properly marketed, good 3D program could EAT UP the market.


>- Lee

I wonder if NewTek could sell a bunch of LW-lite packagesat around $200-300.
They would have to get into the major chains to have a chance.  They could
use their Television credits to their advantage with this.  How about bundling
it with a Miro type device.

The downside is that they would have to be careful to make clear the
difference between LW-Lite and the full version.  LiteWave?

The big question would be what to actually include/exclude in such a package.
Obviously, you drop Screamernet.  Ya gotta give 'em lensflares (but maybe
fewer options).  Maybe you limit the import/export options, number of objects
in a scene etc.  No OpenGl.  Make it LW 4.0 with some stuff trimmed off.

On the one hand it seems a shame to cripple LW, on the other it may till the
soil for a future market.  Someone mentioned the Corel product series and how
they just keep selling the older versions at discounted prices.  Maybe this
could work for NewTek?




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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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In article <[e-mail]> Ernie Wright <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Ernie Wright <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Diamond surface......
>Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 01:39:55 -0400

>Jay Turberville wrote:

>> [...] the main trick is to determine what it is that makes a diamond
>> look like a diamond.  Offhand, I believe it is its high index of
>> refraction which causes it to cast lots of reflective "sparkles" and
>> to have color in those sparkles.

>Dave Paige replied:

>> Actually I believe it's critical angly reflection, sometimes called
>> internal reflection, that makes a diamond sparkle.

>Same thing, although it's not easy to explain why in 50 words or less.
>From the Snell-Descartes law, the critical angle for diamond is

>   arcsin( sin( 90 degrees ) / 2.42 ) = 24.4 degrees

>The 2.42 is diamond's index of refraction, and as you can (hopefully)
>see, the higher this number is, the smaller the critical angle is.
>(Diamond has by far the highest index of refraction among gemstones.)

>Now picture a light ray trying to get out of a diamond.  It'll hit
>the diamond-air boundary at some angle to the normal, and if this
>angle is higher than the critical angle (24.4 degrees), the angle at
>which it "emerges" will exceed 90 degrees--in other words, it'll be
>reflected back in.

>Gem diamonds are precisely cut to maximize "brilliance," an effect
>of these internal reflections.  The facets that make up the base,
>for example, are at an angle of 41 degrees to the vertical axis.
>I suspect a convincing diamond model would have to be built the same
>way real diamonds are cut.  You'll also need a way to simulate fire,
>the prismatic effect that makes the sparkles look like tiny rainbows.

>- Ernie

Thanks Ernie.  Now ya got me interested in doing a diamond and I don't even
need to.

OK.  Here is a little proposition for those who do have time.  Ol' Joe Monahan
had some kinda informal renderer contest going on.  How 'bout a new simple
informal "contest" (no need for a winner actually) on making a good diamond.
This could be a good lighting and modeling drill for new users and a challenge
to stretch to achieve top-notch realism by experienced users.  And maybe get
us more on-topic.

What makes this a good choice (IMHO) is that the scene need not be complex or
horribly time consuming.




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Ernie Wright wrote:
>
> Jay Turberville wrote:
>
> > [...] the main trick is to determine what it is that makes a diamond
> > look like a diamond.  Offhand, I believe it is its high index of
> > refraction which causes it to cast lots of reflective "sparkles" and
> > to have color in those sparkles.
>
> Dave Paige replied:
>
> > Actually I believe it's critical angly reflection, sometimes called
> > internal reflection, that makes a diamond sparkle.
>
> Same thing, although it's not easy to explain why in 50 words or less.
> From the Snell-Descartes law, the critical angle for diamond is
>
>    arcsin( sin( 90 degrees ) / 2.42 ) = 24.4 degrees
>
> The 2.42 is diamond's index of refraction, and as you can (hopefully)
> see, the higher this number is, the smaller the critical angle is.
> (Diamond has by far the highest index of refraction among gemstones.)
>
> Now picture a light ray trying to get out of a diamond.  It'll hit
> the diamond-air boundary at some angle to the normal, and if this
> angle is higher than the critical angle (24.4 degrees), the angle at
> which it "emerges" will exceed 90 degrees--in other words, it'll be
> reflected back in.
>
> Gem diamonds are precisely cut to maximize "brilliance," an effect
> of these internal reflections.  The facets that make up the base,
> for example, are at an angle of 41 degrees to the vertical axis.
> I suspect a convincing diamond model would have to be built the same
> way real diamonds are cut.  You'll also need a way to simulate fire,
> the prismatic effect that makes the sparkles look like tiny rainbows.
>
> - Ernie



This is why Diamonds are displayed on black . This shows a diamonds cut
to its best, as no blck will be visible in the diamond.

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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In article <[e-mail]> Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: [REVIEW] Stranahan in actionHEY STRANAHAN!!!!
>Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 19:33:49 -0400

>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> Robert Baldwin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not into criticizing anyone, I generally respect your talents and
>> am not concerns with your rants re:Newtek but frankly aren't you being
>> a little hypocritical when you complain about newtek not delivering as
>> promised or on time yet we have been hearing about your cdrom and now
>> about your brothers tapes (which I eagerly await), if you can deliver
>> what you promise it will be worth the money, but where is it? It
>> sounded to me like you already shot it and pretty much ready for the
>> market. What is the status?
>>                                  Still waiting (with anticipation)
>> >Stranahan wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey, I'm now 'classic Stranahan'! How old I feel.....with all the changes in LW 5.0, it's probably best to wait for our new
>> >tapes. And as great as B5 is, a lot of people seem to like the
>> >designs for Space : Above And Beyond better - if you do, Ken
>> >Stranahan's 5.0 tapes will show you how get that sort of look.
>>
>> >_____________________________________________
>> > Lee Stranahan
>>
>> >-nothing personal, eh?
>>
>> >(Shameless Plug Mode off) ;)

>This time, I have to agree with Stranahan. We purchased the Flyer when
>version 4.02 became availlable. Back then, we were told by NewTek that
>the final version would be availlable within 2 or 3 weeks. It took
>nearly a year before version 4.1 actually shipped. We spent about
>$15,000 on a system (including hard-drives) on a system that coudn't be
>reliable. We had stutters everywhere. We lost some business because of
>that. We aren't a very big business, but these problems did hurt our
>business.

>How can anyone trust NewTek now. The same happened with LightWave for
>Windows. They sold a product at full retail price for something that
>wasn't even close to be ready.

>NewTek has become a public-relation nightmare. Especially since Kiki and
>company left the company.

>Jean-Eric

I agree with the points you made on the Flyer.  However, I disagree with you
when you say that the 4.0 pre-release wasn't even close to ready.  We found it
quite useful and were very happy to get it.  It was generally more functional
than our ver 3.5 Amiga versions.  It was way late considering what was
reported in VTU which WAS a big problem which is why we were happy to get it.

I agree that trust is a big issue.  However, the 5.0 release should help in
that regard.  To early to predict a trend, but it becomes more reasonable to
hope.

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From: [e-mail] (Howard ST)
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Subject: cel shader
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A minor tip regarding getting a flat 2-d cartoon style look in Lightwave--

I've been playing around with the cel shader, which does a nice job of
creating key lines ala a cartoon. I wanted to get the flattest look
possible and I was finding that the Cel shader made my images look
posterized and showed too many bands of color to look like a cartoon
(which is usually mostly flat color).

I solved this problem by deleting all lights and turning the last one's
level to 0 and then cranking up the ambient light. No directionality of
light, no shadows, no  variation in surface color (and no need for the cel
shader particularily).

Gave me the look I was going for...

..I also cranked the luminosity on some of my objects some  which gave me
object by object "brightness" control.


Kind of obvious I guess, but hey, isn't everything once you know how to do
it?

-H
-H

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From: [e-mail] (crs2093)
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Subject: PAR Hard Drives
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Hi All!

I am in the process of purchasing a PAR for my Amiga, so I'll be in the market
for a hard drive.  Is the Quantum Fireball one of the better drives for this
system, or are there better, newer hard drives?

Is anyone else having a problem with reading the directories at the DPS FTP
site?

Thanks.

                                        -Dave
                                         [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Dan Robinson)
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On Mon, 20 May 1996 01:51:45 -0500, Gene Heitman <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Bob Bennett wrote:
> >
> > Anyone have any experience with a readily available 060 board
(w/SCSI)
> > for the Amiga 2000?  I'm looking for one.  It must work with
V-Toaster
> > and DPS PAR.
> >
> > Thanks for any advice.
> >
> > BobThe only readily available 060 board for the Amiga 2000 is the
TekMagic
> 50MHz 060.  It has a very fast SCSI-2 controller on board and can
hold
> up to 128MB of RAM.  Requires AmigaDOS 3.1 and works well with the
above
> mentioned products.  Please contact Micro-PACE (where I work) for
the
> name of a dealer near you.  We are the distributors for TekMagic
> products in North America.
>
> Gene Heitman
> Micro-PACE Sales/Product Support
> www: www.mpace.com
> email: [e-mail]
> phone: [phone]
> fax: [phone].

Didn"you forget to mention the Wildfire board from DKB???? As a user
I can attest to the fact that they are available.

dan

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From: [e-mail] (Brian Sassounian)
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Question:

    In windows 95, how the hell do you set the default in the
folders to be list, instead of those crappy big icons? this is
really pissing me off... well thanks a lot. also, anybody have
a registered or good html editor? im looking for one..bye.

            Brian Sassounian

p.s. email any new kickass fonts like kiddie, randsom, or kickass
fonts.
pps. check out my web page at
http://members.tripod.com/~brian67/index.html
it kixx ass too
ppps. why the hell are there no messages in this newsgroup?
ppps. How do I rename a font? can't do it in win95.
pppps.: ok ill shutup now.


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Subject: Re: Do you have what it takes, or do you have a product? Search!!!!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:00:27 GMT
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On Sun, 19 May 1996 21:32:29 -0400, Jean-Eric Hénault
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Jeff Glaze wrote:
>>
>> Do you have what it takes?

>>
>> References Available.
>
>We have what it takes... and more... But first of all, who are you ???

I think that's what the references are for....


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From: [e-mail] (CamCollect)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: IMMEDIATE OPENING: Art Director/3D Animator
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IMMEDIATED OPENING:

Art Director/3D Animator position available immediatly.  3D animation w/
Lightwave 5.0 and/or SoftImage experience required. Send demo tape and
resume to:

Digital FX, Inc.
9146 Jefferson Hwy.
Baton Rouge, LA  70809

ATT: Greg Milneck

   Greg Milneck, Jr.

       Digital FX, Inc.

           Baton Rouge, LA, USA


                    [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Rob Peace)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Help needed: Best Bet for Beginners (Tutorials, Books, etc.)
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I am just starting out on Lightwave 4.0 and, frankly, the manual seems
to be a little skimpy on the tutorial side.  Modeling in particular is
giving me a lot of trouble.  I am looking for a book or manual that
focuses on the basics of Lightwave with an emphasis on modeling.  I
know there is a series of videos, but I prefer to have it in print
so's I can refer to it as I work.  Any advice on this would be greatly
appreciated.

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From: Sean Houghton <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave?  Pick one and shut up....
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You can do these in 3ds4 and their is an option in the reflections options dialog box
that lets you set the limit for reflection incidences (I beleive) so  you can have a
reflection of a reflection of a reflection, etc...

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> > (reflections) yes and no.  There are significant limitations to auto-ref maps
> > which may be important to some like myself.  One is you can't get a relfection
> > of a reflection, or anything that requires multiple ray recursions like
> > self-relfection this can lead to some very bad looks and unneccessary amounts
>
> You can do both these things in 3d studio, and I'm almost certain it only uses
> reflection maps. (well, "out of the box" anyway...)

--
Sean Houghton,  Computer Scientist Extraordinaire.

[e-mail]
http://rohan.sdsu.edu/home/houghton/index.html

"No matter where you go, there you are."
   -Buckaroo Bonzai

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From: [e-mail](Michael C. Ling)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LightWave notes from E3
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On May 22, 1996 21:17:03 in article <Re: LightWave notes from E3>,
'[e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))' wrote:

>point out that a dongled LiteWave would be a huge mistake.  At this price

>point you make up for piracy with volume.  Maybe you use some kind of CD
>protection or serial number scheme.  But definitely no dongle.
>
>It is important to do what you do best.  That may be the best reason why
>LiteWave is not a good idea.
>

I think one of the best weapons against piracy is a semi-functional demo.
If it rendered 160x100 images in color and 640x480 in b/w, and if had
printed message about being a demo randomly placed in the image, and a time
limit, a user could get to know lightwave and still want the real thing.

--
M C L -
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mike_Ling

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From: B Hayes <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: cel shader
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 00:37:50 -0400
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Howard ST wrote:
>
> A minor tip regarding getting a flat 2-d cartoon style look in Lightwave--
>
> I've been playing around with the cel shader, which does a nice job of
> creating key lines ala a cartoon. I wanted to get the flattest look
> possible and I was finding that the Cel shader made my images look
> posterized and showed too many bands of color to look like a cartoon
> (which is usually mostly flat color).
>
> I solved this problem by deleting all lights and turning the last one's
> level to 0 and then cranking up the ambient light. No directionality of
> light, no shadows, no  variation in surface color (and no need for the cel
> shader particularily).
>
> Gave me the look I was going for...
>
> ..I also cranked the luminosity on some of my objects some  which gave me
> object by object "brightness" control.
>
> Kind of obvious I guess, but hey, isn't everything once you know how to do
> it?
>
> -H
> -H
I needed a Cel-Shared about a year and a halph before i new what one was.
Your technique was exactly hou I got around it. Hey have you noticed that
the Cel-Look out line Looks like crap or is it just me. I had played with
the Exparimental Feature under 4.0 and I thought it looked much better.
Could just be me though...
--
Brad Hayes
http://www.pacificnet.net/~bjhayes

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From: [e-mail] (Mauro Avino)
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Subject: Character animation TARIFFS !
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Hello.

I 'm trying to begin to work as character animator and post-producer
video here in ITALY, exactly here at Naples.
I did some TVsignature for some local transmitting station.
But the my consistent problem is that here there's not a consolitated
market.
For that I known, here we haven't an association of category, a
prices-list, etc . . . .
I'd like to get the customs of the other countries about the prices of
the comp-animation, how much at second, for example.
I 'm aware of the generally of my question, but I need only of a
indication.

I work as freelance, OBVIOUSLY on  LIGHTWAVE !!


            best regards to all,   Mauro by GràPHoS





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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Manuals?
Date: 22 May 1996 14:54:02 -0700
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In article <4nunuv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul Bunkham) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Paul Bunkham)
>Subject: Manuals?
>Date: 22 May 1996 09:49:19 GMT

>Sorry if this is in the FAQ I can't find. (Slate me if you wish...)

>I have recently bought a second-hand P.C. and with it came a copy of Lightwave
>4.0.  Excently, I thought, now I can really do some good computer graphics.
>But, no manuals!  I have been trying to learn the principles from scratch but
>could really do with some very basic tuition, so my questions are these:
>Does anyone know if I can buy just the manuals for LW 4.0?
>Does anyone know of a good beginners book for LW 4.0?
>Or, does anyone know of a good tutorial for beginners on the net?

>Thanks alot for any help

>Paul Bunkham.

Are you using a dongle to run LW?  You will find it attached to the parallel
port if you are.  It looks like a "gender changer" device and will have a
serial number on it.

If LW is running without this device, you have a bootleg copy and have not
purchased LW.  I hope you didn't pay extra for an illegal copy.

Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail](Michael C. Ling)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: TREK and BAB5 models?
Date: 23 May 1996 00:38:30 GMT
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On May 22, 1996 23:07:13 in article <TREK and BAB5 models?>,
'[e-mail] (Richard Green)' wrote:


>Can anyone here help me find trek:tng ( ds9 and voyager ) objects?

Hmm I've seen ST:NG and ST movie objects over the years, but I haven't seen
anything from the newer series.

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From: [e-mail] (Dave Paige)
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[e-mail] (Paul Bunkham) wrote:

>Sorry if this is in the FAQ I can't find. (Slate me if you wish...)
>
>I have recently bought a second-hand P.C. and with it came a copy of Lightwave
>4.0.  Excently, I thought, now I can really do some good computer graphics.
>But, no manuals!  I have been trying to learn the principles from scratch but
>could really do with some very basic tuition, so my questions are these:
>Does anyone know if I can buy just the manuals for LW 4.0?
>Does anyone know of a good beginners book for LW 4.0?
>Or, does anyone know of a good tutorial for beginners on the net?
>
>Thanks alot for any help
>
>Paul Bunkham.

I assume, since you can run the program, that it came with the dongle?

Dave Paige
Alfheim Imaging
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Again more Dongle Problems
Date: 22 May 1996 15:16:01 -0700
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tony Lisanti) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Tony Lisanti)
>Subject: Again more Dongle Problems
>Date: 22 May 1996 01:54:23 GMT



> I thought I was immune to dongle problems. I was wrong.. Now my Snappy and
>Printer refuse to work without first removing the dongle. I made a call to
>Newtek. Trying to get technical support is like trying to talk to God. I hear
>even the dealers have an impossible time trying to get though. So can anyone
>help me with my dongle problems?



>Tony

Based upon the experiences posted here, I won't plug anything into the
backside of a LW dongle.  For any reason. Period.  Apparently some printers
have the nasty trait of "reprogramming" the dongle.  I think the price of an
additional parallel port ($20-40) or a switchbox ($20 or so - works for most
but not all parallel devices) is easily worth the peace of mind.






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From: [e-mail](Tom Kubat )
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In <4o08ct$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (OTSP) writes:
>
>The latest version of Hollywood F/X doesn't work with my Lightwave
4.0,
>and a version that will is a long way off.  My question is, can I
install
>Lightwave 3.5 onto the same system and have both versions render their
>animations onto the same Flyer drives without causing problems?
>Appreciate the help.
>
>Bob Ridge
>On the Spot Productions
>BBBB      OOO    BBBB
>BB  BB  OO  OO  BB  BB
>BBBB    OO  OO  BBBB
>BB  BB  OO  OO  BB  BB
>BBBB      OOO    BBBB

I have both 3.5 and 4.1 installed on my system and run the one best
suited to the task. Just use a text editor to change the names before
starting LightwaveFP so the one you want starts up.  You can't run them
both at the same time but 3.5 renders much faster than 4.1 (or 4.0) on
an amiga while 4.1 is better for modeling.  Of course you can't render
in 3.5 if special 4.0 features are used (plug-ins, for example.)  So to
render to the flyer in 3.5, save as framestores and use the Flyer
IFF2Clip AREXX script to make a clip.  It is MUCH faster than rendering
to a clip with 4.0 (again, on an Amiga.)

Tom Kubat
VIP, Inc.
Santa Barbara, CA

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Yeah, I guess one-side is one of the better options
to solve this problem, but still, I can't really
Boolean as what I want whenever I use it.

Question: Is there a way to change a multi-polygon
object which is created in 2-sides into single side
without rebuilding the whole thing?


Qu. 2:

What about if I want to boolean something like
this:

 _________________
[    ________     }
[___I        I____]





This is the side view of the residue. Hope U can
understand what the diller and drillee would look
like. So, the qu. is that should the big box (the
thing to be cut) be 1-sided and the small box (the
one use as a cutting mould) be 2-sided? See, this
tends to be simple task but I just can't get it.
Everything shown in PowerView or even in Layout is
distorted.

Thanks in adance!


LSam
PS: I wonder if Layout 5.0 is OpenGLed. Anyone?
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From: Sassafras
Newsgroups: alt.3d,alt.3d.misc,alt.3d.studio,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: I will create 3D images for you for free
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 10:55:47 GMT
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Isn't this called price fixing when you attempt to make everybody
charge the same?  (Hint : Free is less than whatever you are
charging, therefore you are trying to get him to raise his prices to
match everyone else's.)  Businesses aren't legally allowed to
do this (Yes I know, gas stations do it all the time -- that doesn't
make it legal!)

On Sun, 19 May 1996 14:02:18 -0400, Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>
>You should really think about charging a little bit. This hurts businesses who
>do this for a living. Hey it your hard work, why not get paid for it?
>
>Jeff


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From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW 5.0 Misc
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In article <4neoot$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(David Hopkins) writes:

>>LAYOUT:
>>
>>You can use the escape key (ESC) to abort a scene load. (!)
>
>Wow, that has been true for a REAL long time!  Just caught that,
>did you? ;-)
>
>
>

    Hey, does anyone else miss not seeing anything happen while loading? I
sometimes load huge scene files, and see no action on the screen for about
a minute, and blam, there's my scene. In the old lightwave, you could see
the object/image/surfaces counters going up, showing some progress.. Much
nicer..



Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
RICH!!!!"



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From: Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: AVID MEDIA GROUP TAKEOVER ALARM BELLS!!!
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 01:17:06 -0400
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GKeenan818 wrote:
>
> In article <4nrm9i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
> (Stranahan) writes:
>
> >Subject:       Re: AVID MEDIA GROUP TAKEOVER ALARM BELLS!!!
> >From:  [e-mail] (Stranahan)
> >Date:  21 May 1996 02:02:26 -0400
> >
> >There's nothing remotely worrisome going on, but that hasn't kept you
> from
> >worrying before...
>
> Well Lee, if YOU say that things are okay, then I am more inclined to
> believe it, especially when I get fed one excuse after another from AMG.
> The worrying is over as far as I'm concerned as it's all in the hands of
> my credit card company now.
>
> It's not JUST me who is worrying Lee, as my mailbox has been getting a
> steady stream of enquiries from other people in the UK who feel as though
> there is something fishy going on. If YOU telephoned AMG and got the
> stories that I have, then I think you too would be a little bit worried.
>
> I shall save future "worry postings" for alt.dontpanic.dontrocktheboat in
> the future. ;-))

I suppose that if someone bought the AVID MEDIA GROUP, it's because they want to continue the operations as usual. Perhaps even improve it.
Avid's main publications are still VTU and LW Pro. It would be stupid to stop making them.

I assume however that it may cause some delays for a few weeks. Transitions like this are always difficult at first, but I expect things will
improve steadilly in the next few weeks now.

Jean-Eric

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From: Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: LW 5 ???
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Walter (Jay) Turberville (III) wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steve Koren) writes:
> >From: [e-mail] (Steve Koren)
> >Subject: Re: LW 5 ???
> >Date: 22 May 1996 12:23:34 -0600
>
> >Wooly Mittens <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >> Can somebody lease explain to me what this is all about.
>
> >I also wonder, has anyone else gotten a (snail-mail) notice of 5.0?  I
> >haven't (but I did for 4.0).  If I didn't read this group, I would have
> >had no idea a 5.0 was even coming this soon.
>
> >   - steve
>
> This is correct as far as I know.  We have received no off-line notice.
> Perhaps it was in the latest LWPro or VTU.  I'm not sure though.  You would
> think NewTek would have sent out upgrade notices to registered users.  It
> doesn't matter to us, but not everybody is online.  I sometimes forget that
> simple fact.  Maybe NewTek did as well.
>
> Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
> Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
> http://www.studio522.com         |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber

Well, there is at least a couple of places where I saw the new LW 5.0 add. 3D design has had the new add featuring  some pretty nice pictures.
But I think NewTek should at least update its web page.

Jean-Eric

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From: Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]>
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At last Video Toaster World in LA last Fall, Tim Jennison mentionned
that LW would catch-up with SoftImage within a year. That was six months
ago.

It is logical to assume that now that 5.0 is shipping, NewTek is gonna
start working on 6.0 right ? Well, A friend of mine who is working for
one of the big LightWave studios mentionned that they are about to start
working on a Beta version of 6.0. Is it possible this new version could
be availlable by the end of the year ?

Woudn't that be great ? I just hope the next upgrade doesn't cost me an
other 500$ ...

Jean-Eric

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From: [e-mail] (sdfgh)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>Just for grins, I just took a look at comp.graphics.apps.alias.  There are
>about 1/10 as many messages there as here.  Might I suggest that the next
>argument on the LW vs. Alias topic (and I assume there will be another) take
>place in that group instead of here.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
>Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
>http://www.studio522.com         |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber
you'll be laughed out of the group
but what the hell, lets see alias users cut up lw for a change


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steve Koren) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Steve Koren)
>Subject: Re: LW 5 ???
>Date: 22 May 1996 12:23:34 -0600


>Wooly Mittens <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> Can somebody lease explain to me what this is all about.

>I also wonder, has anyone else gotten a (snail-mail) notice of 5.0?  I
>haven't (but I did for 4.0).  If I didn't read this group, I would have
>had no idea a 5.0 was even coming this soon.

>   - steve

This is correct as far as I know.  We have received no off-line notice.
Perhaps it was in the latest LWPro or VTU.  I'm not sure though.  You would
think NewTek would have sent out upgrade notices to registered users.  It
doesn't matter to us, but not everybody is online.  I sometimes forget that
simple fact.  Maybe NewTek did as well.

Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
http://www.studio522.com         |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber

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From: [e-mail] (Dave Paige)
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[e-mail] (RazorKiD05) wrote:

>Could someone tell me if I should buy a Flyer system from Tristate
>computer which is cheaper then getting it from my Dealer. Help would be
>great!

Mail order will, generally, always be cheaper than your local dealer.
But, who's going to support you when you have problems or need
questions answered, and you will. Will you be unhappy when your local
dealer closes up shop because all of his/her customers bought mail
order instead of supporting there local dealer?

Dave Paige
Alfheim Imaging
[e-mail]

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Hi guys, got a problem with Lightwave.

I want to extrude an object with path extrusion.
For this, i need a curve in a background layer.
But what if i want to extrude a thing like a zig-zag-wall.
I need straight lines and sharp angles, but if you choose make curve,
Lightwave always builds up rounded curves. With a polygon in the
background layer (which was okay because it was not rounded),
i cannot make a rail extrusion.

Great if i can get some help.

It would be nice if you can mail me the answer directly.

Thanks for all, Thomas from Germany.

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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In article <4ne5rv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Stranahan) writes:
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> |>From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
> |>Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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> |>
> |>------------------------------------
> |>The people marketing the Toaster were in the right place at the right time
> |>to be sure.
> |>-----------------------------------
> |>
> |>You know, Foust hates it when I mention Play - but I re-read this sentence
> |>and it pissed me off. It implies that the marketing department of 'old'
> |>NewTek (some would call it 'real' NewTek) was lucky.
> |>
> |>Bite me.
> |>
> |>As I indicated, there was a ton of work. In addition, the same group of
> |>marketing people who launched Toaster made Snappy (a video digitizer that
> |>entered the market with a BUNCH of competition already there) the largest
> |>selling video product EVER for the PC in about a year. They launched
> |>Trinity in a huge way. They made a company that is larger and more
> |>sucessful than NewTek in that space of time, and it's a company that is
> |>'cool' in the same way NewTek used to be.
> |>
> |>Marketing, kids.
> |>
> |>
> |>
> |>_____________________________________________
> |>Lee ,
>   I seem to remember they crawled in bed with Digital Creations(supergen 2000s,
>    DCTV, Brilliance on the Amiga),
>   and Microsoft recently. As for snappy, What competition are you talking about?
>    I read the maga and really don't recall anything in that price range
>   avaiable. Gee first a DigiView type thingy for the PC, and then a Toaster
>   type thingy for the PC. A lot of original ideas surfacing here. I wonder
>   if softimage will be their 3D software for Trinity ? i saw a Snappy ad.
>   big picture of the device, nice but nothing special. We have one in shop
>   but opt to use a digital camera most of the time. if I buy a pentium I
>   would consider the Snappy as I believe it has it's uses .
>
>   -bill

About six months ago, Play had already sold over 300,000 Snappys. By now, they should have at least double that. The thing is that Snappy is
now one of the most successfull video tool availlable on the market.

History repeats itself : Back in 1985, when the Amiga was first introduced, a new company called NewTek launched a device called DigiView. At
the time, it was about the only way to put color images in the Amiga for a reasonable cost. Scanners back then were prohibitivelly expensive.
The Amiga by the way, was about the only computer, costing under $100,000 that could display as many as 4,096 colors at the same time, while
the best PC of the day could barelly display 16; the Mac was still in black in white.

While the Amiga was a small market, NewTek was pretty successfull with its marketing. In 1987, AmigaWorld introduced us to the Video Toaster
concept. At the time, it seemed like pure vaporware. A video card that would allow for a very small amount of money to create real-time
digital transition effects, just like on television.  NewTek used the little money they made selling Digiview and DigiPaint, a paint software
for the Amiga, to develop the Toaster. About a year later, in 1988-89, people had already forgotten about the "mythical" Video Toaster. Until
the summer of 1990, when NewTek finally introduced its finished product to market.

The Video Toaster was an immediate hit. They sold thousands of units within the first few months. NewTek made the headlines of major
publications around the world. ABC news even made a story about the little company from Topeka. Everybody loved the name. A company with very
little resources was able to go from almost zero to major fame.

Then, about two years ago, some people left NewTek to create Play. From that moment, everything at NewTek started to fall apart. The Video
Flyers project was experiencing major delays and technical problems. Commodore was just put into liquidation a few months before. LightWave
for Windows was shipping as a Beta version, and still far from being stable. Many customers were very unhappy about NewTek.

Since these people left the company, NewTek has become a marketing nightmare.

All of this to say that Play is repeating this all over again. Don't you see that Play has made tens of millions of dollars with Snappy ? This
money is now used to develop Trinity. When this product comes out, Play will have a lot more ressources than NewTek ever had when they
launched the Toaster. I expect total devastation in the video-production industry when Trinity comes out...

Jean-Eric

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Lara)
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[e-mail] (Brian Sassounian) wrote:

>Question:

>    In windows 95, how the hell do you set the default in the
>folders to be list, instead of those crappy big icons? this is
>really pissing me off...

    Kind of off-topic for the lightwave newsgroup....

It's sort of rude to SPAM dozens of newsgroups for a
rather obvious answer as well.

And that obvious answer is:

The last four buttons along the top of Explorer are
Large Icons  |  Small Icons  |  List  |  Details

simply click on details, while you reach for the manual.

Paul Lara

 well thanks a lot. also, anybody have
>a registered or good html editor? im looking for one..bye.

>            Brian Sassounian

>p.s. email any new kickass fonts like kiddie, randsom, or kickass
>fonts.
>pps. check out my web page at
>http://members.tripod.com/~brian67/index.html
>it kixx ass too
>ppps. why the hell are there no messages in this newsgroup?
>ppps. How do I rename a font? can't do it in win95.
>pppps.: ok ill shutup now.


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From: Jack Walsh <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
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I understand that all the large studios use clay models(mainly for
organic shapes like Casper) and cyberscan them as opposed to digitizing.
The information from the cyberscan is cleaner and takes less effort to
clean up.

Jack

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From: [e-mail] (Stuart Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Damn Path Extrude!
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+-- TL Westgate <[e-mail]> writes:
| For the life of me, I can never get path extrude to work properly. I
| have posted questions here before, and they have been answered on this
| subject, and (of course) I have tried the answers, but it still doesn't
| work.
|
| Would somebody please write a step by step procedure for, say, path
| extruding a disc into a tube from a path saved in Layout.

This can be described very simply.  You want to create a path so that
when the extrude template object is animated along the path it sweeps
out the 3D shape you want to create.

For your example you would first create a disc in Modeler.  You can
make it in any orientation or location, but to make it easy to move
you should make it centered at the origin and flat in the Z-axis.
Import that into Layout and start animating it with keyframes (or you
can load an existing motion for the disc).  You can translate, rotate
and scale the disc with any number of keyframes.  The shape that will
be created will be the result of skinning together all the shapes at
every timestep in the animation.  You can visualize this by making a
wireframe animation preview and imagining all the frames of the anim
superimposed in your mind.  When you are happy with the motion, save
it out to a file and use that for your Path Extrude motion with the
disc exactly as you created it in Modeler.

You cannot use parenting, pivot point, align to path, or any motion
plugins to define the motion path because those are all aspects of
the scene, not the motion.  Position, rotation and scaling are all
supported, as are tension, continuity, bias and linear controls.  Make
the keyframes more separated in time where you want more detail and
closer in time where you want less detail.  You can also pick a part
of the path to use for extrusion.  Enjoy!
--
    Stuart Ferguson        ([e-mail])
        "How do you compute that?  Where on the
         graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?"

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From: Steven Johansen <203.15.163.13>
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Subject: Re: LW vs Alias
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[e-mail] (Dann M. Stubbs) wrote:

>My mention about all the other sites was misinterpreted as is most of the
>things you respond to. At least our site has some framework, a fairly
>expandable structure. Lots are just images (good and bad) stuck up in the
>middle of nowhere. A great 3D image on a lousy site, still gives a poor
>impression as far as I'm concerned.
>

      Dann, I believe I was the first to respond to your post and did
in fact misinterperate your comment, I don't know if you saw my post
as you are mainly responding to Fred.
      When you said most of the web pages you had seen were produced
by talentless amatuers I presumed you were referring to 3D graphics
related sites,my mistake.
      If I hadn't misinterpreted your comment I would not have made
what was an intentionally rude response.
      I withdraw my comments (for what thats worth) and apologize
for them.

      I am not recieving e-mail at this current address so if you
e-mailed a response to my origional post I was and currently still
am unable to reply to it, my apologies also for that to you and anyone
else who may have wished to take me to task for my comments.

      Steven

>Dann
>
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From: [e-mail] (Fletcher00)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Texture mapping on irregular objects
Date: 23 May 1996 09:19:40 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]>, Sean Houghton
<[e-mail]> writes:

>> Hi. I have only started started using Lightwave recently (version
>> 4.0), so this may seem like a newbie question, but it stems from my

Unfortunately, the only way to really do this in LW w/o a plugin is to:
actually unfold the image into a flat surface and save it
load both into layout
surafce the flat object with the image map
morph the flat surface into the desired shape 100%

It's awkward, but it works.

Chris Fletcher

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In article <4nsmo3$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Richardson, Brian) writes:

>I'm running LW 4.0 on a 486-80, 16MB ram, CTX monitor set to SVGA
display.
>
>Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated...feel free
>to email.......thanks in advance.
>
>

Are you using '95 or NT?
And what is the monitors refresh rate set at?

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From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: In defense of separate Modeler/Layout
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In article <4nkk2q$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail](Michael C. Ling) writes:

>
>After using metanurbs in modeler, I want it in Layout.  Aside from that,
>the only modeler stuff I'd think would be nice in Layout would be
something
>to generate primitive objects. It seems a like overkill to load up
modeler
>to make a flat plane for a floor, or a cube for room interiors, or a
sphere
>for some effect, or to change or add a texture name, etc. This would
>probably of use to people low on memory who'd want to avoid loading up
>modeler while layout is up.
>
>--

     I don't think this would be too usefull, or practical in the
programing sense - however, basic polygon creation from a plugin aspect is
definately needed. This way a plugin can create polygons, without doing
lots of disk swapping tricks..



Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
RICH!!!!"



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From: Bryant Reif <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LightWave notes from E3
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 02:52:08 -0400
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Michael C. Ling wrote:

> I think one of the best weapons against piracy is a semi-functional demo.
> If it rendered 160x100 images in color and 640x480 in b/w, and if had
> printed message about being a demo randomly placed in the image, and a time
> limit, a user could get to know lightwave and still want the real thing.
>
> --
> M C L -
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mike_Ling

Bingo!  I wonder how many people pirate trueSpace?
--

Bryant Reif
mailto:[e-mail]
http://www.aiesec.org/~bryant

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Hi all...

I'm very new in Lightwave 5.0 (used 3DS R4)...

Now I have a big problem. I can't run the Modeller.exe...

The program says, that there is no MESSAGE FiLE...

Do you what it means? I can't use this damn program without a modeller..
(In 3DS you could draw a little bit in the Program)

Thnx

MadCat


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From: [e-mail] (Dennis Grant)
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In article <[e-mail]> LonerSam <[e-mail]> writes:
> Hi all,
>
> I have been a LW user for about 1/2 year already ... so-called. The reason I said so-called is because everytime
> I can't model some simple operations, I have to abort the whole project and use other program instead. Take
> Boolean subtraction for example, I have been flipping the manual's pages until they are torn, I have been posting
> numerous messages into the Net (which eventually people think I am a wacko), I have been looking into LWPro, VTU,
> etc ... to find answers, but still, I can't even do a simple boolean subtraction.
>

From the manual index: Boolean Functions, p50

Pages 50-52 contain a detailed explanation of boolean functions.

> I love LW. I know and I can feel it's power, but I just can't stand even the simple little Boolean obstacle.
> Anyone can kindly tell me the key to solve this problem? See, here are the steps I took:
>
> 1. Box, Make (in option, it is 2-sides)

Well, 3 actually.

> 2. Sphere, Make (same, 2-sides, and this is in the 2nd layer.

Again, this has 3 sides...

>
> I have made sure that everything in in 3D rather than simple planes.

2.1. Select layer 1 as foreground.
2.2. Select layer 2 as background
2.3. Ensure objects intersect.

> 3. Shift-B, Subtract.

3.5. Merge points. (not needed, but a good idea)

> 4. Save the layer into Layout and render ...
> 5. Vola! Just a simple BOX instead of ANY CUT-OUTS!!!
>
> Upset begins from here again. Isn't that simple enough? I am VERY unhappy indeed, as if U have a lot of good
> video games but U don't have the home system to run them.

The manual is very clear.

--
--------------------------
Dennis Grant
[e-mail]
http://www.cycor.ca/TCave/

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The Artist ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'm trying to update my version of Lightwave4.0A, but I having
: problems with the BBS, the ftp site is always busy, and the WWW
: site doesn't offer any connection to the ftp site. So, now my
: question:

:     Is there a mirror of the NewTek FTP site anywhere?

: I'm desperately wanting all of the file updates, but my poor
: college budget can't afford anymore calls to the BBS (and I've
: had entirely too many CRC error to want to go there anymore anyway!)

: anyhelp would be appreciated. thanks

: eric
: [e-mail]



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try this for the subtract


1: Make your first object
2: Make you second object
3: Set the foreground layer to the object to be subtracted FROM
4: Set the background layer to the object to be subtracted
5: Bool-subtract

It should look fine now!!!

If you need anything else or this to be more clear please let me know!!!!!!

thanks
Michael


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From: Mark Van Buren <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Ultimate 3D Links: More Objects
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I've just added a few more links to the OBJECTS section on
Ultimate 3D Links. Might save you some time modelling your
next project!

Ultimate 3D Links
http://www.portraits.com/web/3d/3df.htm

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[e-mail] wrote:
>
>
>         Hi,
>
>         Is there someone who has the 100% working cracked
>         version of LW50. If ya have send me an email, i will
>         pay for it!..
>
>                                                 [e-mail]


This has GOT to be a troll.  No one can be stupid enough to post such a
message in this forum?!!

                Paul G. Overend

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Can anyone here help me find trek:tng ( ds9 and voyager ) objects?

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In article <4nuval$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Greg Bierl) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Greg Bierl)
>Subject: Cross platform rendering
>Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 00:36:25 GMT

>I have been away from LW for a couple of years, (last version I used
>was 3.1) and was wondering about a couple things.

>1.  Is it possible to use my Amiga version of LW for modeling, layout,
>and scene creation and then send that data to a networked Pentium for
>rendering?

>2.  Is there an upgrade program for users that have the LW 3.1
>software?

>TIA

>Greg

1.  Yes.  You will need to edit paths in scenes and and objects.  Its not a
huge hassle though.

2.  There was but I am fairly certain it has expired.  I'm not sure though.  I
would hope that you could get the "competitive upgrade" price, but that is
just my hope.

I suggest that modeling and scene creation would be more productive on the
Pentium due to its speed of doing test renders and the new OpenGL features
that come with 5.0.




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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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Subject: Re: Preview playback question
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In article <4nsmo3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Richardson, Brian) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Richardson, Brian)
>Subject: Preview playback question
>Date: 21 May 1996 15:16:19 GMT

>As a new user, I apologize in advance if this is a FAQ; but
>I would appreciate any assistance.

>When playing back a wireframe preview, the wireframe representation
>is not being displayed.  I do see some faint information presented
>that indicates that it is playing back the sequence.

>I'm running LW 4.0 on a 486-80, 16MB ram, CTX monitor set to SVGA display.

>Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated...feel free
>to email.......thanks in advance.

Try a different display driver for your video card.  Failing that, try a
different display card.  If you are using Win95, you might try adjusting the
level of accelleration for the display card.

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From: david goerndt <[e-mail]>
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I just received LW 5, so I went through it trying out things, just
playing around. I tried to get effector to do something, but nothing
happened and the manual is no help, any ideas?

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Koren)
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[e-mail] (Mark Dunakin) wrote:

> This is a typical smart-ass response that I would have exspected someone to
> reply to your message. I know the feeling of not being able to figure

No, it was me trying to avoid helping someone who might not have
actually bought the product.  The manual tells you exactly how to
perform boolean operations, but the poster did something else entirely
(and then blamed the program it didn't work).  This smelled a lot like a
pirate trying to get free help on the internet to me.  I'm not saying it
was, but some things just smell fishy that way.  People asking for very
basic things that are clearly described in the manual is pretty
suspicious.  You'll notice there are a few other replies to his note
that say "see the manual on booleans", so I was not the only one who got
this feeling.

And if you want help, ask clearly and politely.  His message was
anything but.

> Instead of helping someone out, this guy just mouths off, like he's
> never had a problem that he couldn't figure out and yet every one else
> knew how to do it.

I will generally try following the instructions before asking a few
thousand strangers for help.  If it still doesn't work, then fine, ask
away.

  - steve

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From: [e-mail] (John S. Burger)
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On or about 23-May-96 08:27:57 Dan Robinson typed the following words about "Re:
'060 for Amiga 2000 ??".  My reply is thus...

 Hi Dan,


...... *STUFF DELETED* ......

 DR> Didn"you forget to mention the Wildfire board from DKB???? As a user
 DR> I can attest to the fact that they are available.

Interesting, I called DKB yesterday and they said they wouldn't be available for
another month.

 DR> dan


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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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----------------------------------------
Yes, building hype, and then failing to deliver can be disastrous, but LW
5
showed you could release on schedule, right?
----------------------------------------

This is really the saddest part - 5.0 DID getting released on time.
NewTek's internal schedule was to release it at NAB - and a month before
NAB, I told Tim they needed to start releasing information NOW. This was
especially true about some 'catch-up' features.

Let's face it - LW 5 is very good, but some of the improvements were in
the nature of getting even with the rest of the market; I'm thinking of
Open GL here, although projection lights, multiple surfaces, and even
Nurbs to some extent were catch-ups. Without knowledge, people assumed
LightWave didn't have them.

This is pretty obvious, and it was all explained to NewTek. Too bad they
didn't listen, but it just hurts their sales...


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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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--------------------------------
It is logical to assume that now that 5.0 is shipping, NewTek is gonna
start working on 6.0 right ? Well, A friend of mine who is working for
one of the big LightWave studios mentionned that they are about to start
working on a Beta version of 6.0. Is it possible this new version could
be availlable by the end of the year ?
---------------------------------

Depends how cash poor they get. The logical place to show or sell 6.0
would be at SIGGRAPH in early August. They will certainly have enough new
features by then to have at LEAST a sale-able '5.5' version if they want.
They never STOP programming really, so it's not accurate to say they
'started 6.0'. They just keep coding.

Expect - 1) improved character animation features, because this is a
constant hot button, 2) changes to the motion graph; this has been hinted
at online, 3) improved  surfacing, again...a constant problem that needs
addressing...


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From: [e-mail] (OTSP)
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Subject: Two Lightwaves on one system?
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The latest version of Hollywood F/X doesn't work with my Lightwave 4.0,
and a version that will is a long way off.  My question is, can I install
Lightwave 3.5 onto the same system and have both versions render their
animations onto the same Flyer drives without causing problems?
Appreciate the help.

Bob Ridge
On the Spot Productions
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From: [e-mail] (The Artist)
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I'm trying to update my version of Lightwave4.0A, but I having
problems with the BBS, the ftp site is always busy, and the WWW
site doesn't offer any connection to the ftp site. So, now my
question:

    Is there a mirror of the NewTek FTP site anywhere?

I'm desperately wanting all of the file updates, but my poor
college budget can't afford anymore calls to the BBS (and I've
had entirely too many CRC error to want to go there anymore anyway!)

anyhelp would be appreciated. thanks

eric
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
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    Hi,

    Is there someone who has the 100% working cracked
    version of LW50. If ya have send me an email, i will
    pay for it!..


                        [e-mail]





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Large binary posts do not belong in unmoderated discussion groups.

I run a program that searchs for, and issues advisory cancels for,
large binaries in the akr, biz, comp, misc, news, rec, and sci
hierarchies.

I have issued 10 advisory cancels for large binary files or parts
thereof (total size 2,158,299 characters) posted to 9 different
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This pointer is being posted to each affected group listed above,
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The criteria used to search for this batch of large binaries were:
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Poser or Humanoid?
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On Wed 22-May-1996  3:26a, Steve Tack wrote:
ST> Can anyone tell me the main differences between Poser and Humanoid?  I'm
ST> considering Poser, since it's cheaper ($90), but I know nothing about
ST> Humanoid,
ST> other than it appears to be a similiar program.  I'd mostly like to know
ST> which
ST> one works better with Lightwave.  Thanks!

ST> Steve Tack
--------
Funny, I just did the same reasoning. I went out and bought the Poser program
and I like it and you can save as DFX also. So then you can make and shape
your person how you want it and then ship it over to LW. But then I decided to
go ahead and order the Humanoid anyway because of the ONE MAIN feature that
Poser does not have, and that's the fact that you can have the humanoid right
in your Layout while you work with it and move it around and stuff. And also
it has way more detail than the other. But if all you want is a pretty good
basic human shape, then ok, get Poser. But when I found out that for only a
hundred bucks more you can get the real thing, well I got the Humanoid.
Besides it also comes with bones and a walk and run motion....md

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From: Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Help/info wanted... (Please?)
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B Hayes wrote:
>
> > I was wondering how well the Matrox works with the new LW 5.0.
> > I take it the OpenGL stuff works?
>
> Jeroen:
>
> WRONG!!!! The MGA mallinium board needs 8Megs to do OpenGl well Yes it will do it in 640x480 and even 800x600 but with limited colors. I think
> it's 32768 colors. Now coming from an Amiga that may sound great but You will want to work in 16M colors at 1024x768. You will need 8Megs of
> ram for the Matrox card. Then there are questions about it's ability to use Z-Buffers. It only supports 16-bit Z-Buffers. How severly this
> impacts LightWave I'd don't know because I have nothing to compare it with right Now.
>
> Brad HAyes
> http://pacificnet.net/~bjhayes

Sorry, but I currently use a 4 meg MGA millenium, and LightWave's open
GL works quiet well. I am working in the 1024 x 768 resolution in full
24-bit. The refresh is very good.

Jean-Eric

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> (reflections) yes and no.  There are significant limitations to auto-ref maps
> which may be important to some like myself.  One is you can't get a relfection
> of a reflection, or anything that requires multiple ray recursions like
> self-relfection this can lead to some very bad looks and unneccessary amounts

You can do both these things in 3d studio, and I'm almost certain it only uses
reflection maps. (well, "out of the box" anyway...)



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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
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On Wed 22-May-1996  2:52p, Steve Koren wrote:

SK> LonerSam <[e-mail]> wrote:

SK> [ A great deal of nonsensical ranting deleted ]

SK> > I have made sure that everything in in 3D rather than simple planes.
SK> > 3. Shift-B, Subtract.
SK> > 4. Save the layer into Layout and render ...
SK> > 5. Vola! Just a simple BOX instead of ANY CUT-OUTS!!!

SK> Perhaps you should read the manual.  You claim to have done this, but
SK> your steps above are not what the manual tells you to do, so either you
SK> did not actually read it, or you ignored what it said.

SK>   - steve
-----------------
This is a typical smart-ass response that I would have exspected someone to
reply to your message. I know the feeling of not being able to figure
something out that seems to be SOOO simple. I too also use SPro on the Mac and
love it. Instead of helping someone out, this guy just mouths off, like he's
never had a problem that he couldn't figure out and yet every one else knew
how to do it. Anyway, I think the main thing that you are doing wrong is:

1) Don't use 2 sided.....because then Modelar thinks that there is nothing
inside to be Booleaned. Use single side only, so as to make the object
actually be solid. Then when the Boolean process is performed it will be like
cutting out a hole from a hunk of wood.

2) Make sure that you have the object to be booleaned, "the one to have the
hole put in to it", that IT is in the foreground "object in white" and the
object to be used to make the hole be in the background "object in black".

I'll assume you know the difference between these foreground and background
layers so I won't go into that. But the main thing it sounds like you doing
wrong to me is, making the objects 2 sided.......hope this helps....md

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From: Andrew Hofman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Thanks -- Boolean , but ...
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:23:50 -0400
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There is no reason you should ever, ever have to use 2-sided polys when doing
Boolean operations. In fact, using 2-sided polygons may actually confuse Boolean
operations in some cases, or at least make them slower. Also, once the operation
is done you will immediately see its results right there in Modeler, so I don't
understand this procedure of loading things into Layout to see if they've been
drilled. If an object doesn't appear to be drilled right there as a Modeler
wireframe, that's because it *hasn't* been drilled. Layout will shed no further
light on this.

Are you sure you've been following the manual, word for word? I got valid Booleans
the first time I sat down and - carefully - followed the manual's instructions.
And I'm not even claiming to be the smartest Lightwave user around!


LonerSam wrote:
>
> Yeah, I guess one-side is one of the better options
> to solve this problem, but still, I can't really
> Boolean as what I want whenever I use it.
>
> Question: Is there a way to change a multi-polygon
> object which is created in 2-sides into single side
> without rebuilding the whole thing?
>
> Qu. 2:
>
> What about if I want to boolean something like
> this:
>
>  _________________
> [    ________     }
> [___I        I____]
>
> This is the side view of the residue. Hope U can
> understand what the diller and drillee would look
> like. So, the qu. is that should the big box (the
> thing to be cut) be 1-sided and the small box (the
> one use as a cutting mould) be 2-sided? See, this
> tends to be simple task but I just can't get it.
> Everything shown in PowerView or even in Layout is
> distorted.
>
> Thanks in adance!
>
> LSam


--
Andrew Hofman
LumaQuest Productions
[e-mail]
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In <[e-mail]> LonerSam <[e-mail]>
writes:

>Question: Is there a way to change a multi-polygon
>object which is created in 2-sides into single side
>without rebuilding the whole thing?

Use Unify, and then Align.


>Qu. 2:
>
>What about if I want to boolean something like
>this:
>
> _________________
>[    ________     }
>[___I        I____]
>
>
>
>
>
>This is the side view of the residue. Hope U can
>understand what the diller and drillee would look
>like. So, the qu. is that should the big box (the
>thing to be cut) be 1-sided and the small box (the
>one use as a cutting mould) be 2-sided? See, this
>tends to be simple task but I just can't get it.
>Everything shown in PowerView or even in Layout is
>distorted.

You have to think of your objects as solids. A box with all six
one-sided sides facing outwards is treated by Modeler as an enclosed
volume (that is, there is no way anything can get into the cube without
passing through the surface) and therefore will boolean correctly.

If you want to Boolean the above piece in, use Extrude to make your
driller piece a 'solid volume', and then position it so that it will
cut into your object.

AC


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In <4o18rv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (JBooth411)
writes:
>
>    Hey, does anyone else miss not seeing anything happen while
loading? I
>sometimes load huge scene files, and see no action on the screen for
about
>a minute, and blam, there's my scene. In the old lightwave, you could
see
>the object/image/surfaces counters going up, showing some progress..
Much
>nicer..

You can have the Scene panel up while loading. What's cooler is if you
have the Objects panel up while loading and you see your objects
popping in one at a time.  :)

AC


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In <01bb4820.d4fca0e0$185ec08c@shiba> J. Derek Davis
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Hi all,
>
> $850   CSA Magnum 25MHz 68040 Accel.
>             w/17MB 32bit RAM
>
>-Derek <[e-mail]>

Derek,
Are you sure that's >>> 17 <<< megabytes of ram???

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From: Mark Van Buren <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: WANTED!!!!
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:28:01 -0400
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To: "Dána M. Epp" <[e-mail]>

Dána M. Epp wrote:
>
> I am looking for a mesh/object

Did you try search the object archive lists at
Ultimate 3D Links?

http://www.portraits.com/web/3d/3df.htm

-MVB

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From: -*-BRUCE-*- <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FLOW! ANIMATIONS. http://www.panix.com/~fero
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:14:43 -0400
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Come visit the FLOW! ANIMATIONS homepage.

Animations
Sketches, Drawings.
Lots of eye candy.

If you have been by recently, come check out whats NEW:
http://www.panix.com/~fero/new.html

I believe its worth a visit, Enjoy!

-*-BRUCE-*-
FLOW! ANIMATIONS
http://www.panix.com/~fero

Thanks for your time.

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From: [e-mail] (Surfer)
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Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Woudn't that be great ? I just hope the next upgrade doesn't cost me an
>other 500$ ...

Are you serious? $500.00 for all the features from 4.0 <> 5.0 is
nothing!!
Think of all the time you'll save with NURBS, Poly-Reduction,
multi-surfacing, not to mention the OPENGL.
I think $500.00 (and $1495.00) is a small price to pay for a Film/TV
Effects 3D Package.

Sorry, dude, not ment to be a flame on you, just sick and tired of
people pickiing on NewTek.



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From: [e-mail] (Bernd Kreimeier)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Again more Dongle Problems
Date: 23 May 1996 17:03:02 GMT
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>plug anything at the backside of your dongle

Hmmm. Once I started buying software (I am a Linux user - you
do not have to pay for most of the decent stuff, but unfortunately
some tools are available only for Non-OS like looseDOWS), I started
drowning in these things. I already bought an interface card,
switched IRQ's etc.   ... are you saying now that another
dongle might hurt a dongle, too? I already have two in a row,
and two more are to be added soon.


                                            b.



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From: [e-mail] (Noam Ben-Ami)
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Subject: Re: I am very upset ...
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[e-mail] (Mark Dunakin) writes:

>SK> Perhaps you should read the manual.  You claim to have done this, but
>SK> your steps above are not what the manual tells you to do, so either you
>SK> did not actually read it, or you ignored what it said.

>SK>   - steve
>-----------------
>This is a typical smart-ass response that I would have exspected someone to
>reply to your message. I know the feeling of not being able to figure
>something out that seems to be SOOO simple. I too also use SPro on the Mac and
>love it. Instead of helping someone out, this guy just mouths off, like he's
>never had a problem that he couldn't figure out and yet every one else knew
>how to do it. Anyway, I think the main thing that you are doing wrong is:

The whole point, dude, is that this guy first rants about how he can't
get anything to work in LW, and then asks for help, APPARENTLY WITHOUT
EVER HAVING LOOKED AT THE MANUAL.

This leaves us with three options:

1. This guy is too stupid to live.
    Well, he's kind of a dork, but I don't think so.
    So this option is out.

2. This guy has a pirated copy of LW, w/out the manual.
    The best answer is "look in the manual!"

3. This guy has never looked at the mnual.
    The best answer is "look in the manual!"


See? Its so simple.

--
Noam Ben-Ami is [e-mail] Solar Acoustics High Performance Speakers.

http://farside.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~nbenami ---- Disclaimer: I speak for myself ONLY.


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From: Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Help/info wanted... (Please?)
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To: Jeroen Van Velsen <[e-mail]>

Jeroen Van Velsen wrote:
>
> Hi all you Lightwavers out there,
>
> I've (allmost) sold off my Amiga system and I'm going to get a:
>
> Pentium Pro 200 (Intel ATX Aurora mainbord)
> 32mb RAM (Atleast)
> 2.1gig EIDE harddisk
> Soundblaster AWE 32
> Matrox Millenium 4mb WRAM
>
> Does anyone recomend anything? (Good or bad?)
> (I'm allready planning to run WNT & W95)
>
Yeah... give me your phone number and address... ;-) If you can, get 64
megs... you seem pretty serious about hardware, this is probably to do
serious work. The extra memory might be worth it, especially with the
falling RAM prices.

> I was wondering how well the Matrox works with the new LW 5.0.
> I take it the OpenGL stuff works?

Well, it works pretty well, in fact, you can even experience Open GL on
your Amiga since there is a Fiori Powerview version for the Amiga
version of LW. It's not as fancy as on Windows, but it's usefull.
>
> Is LW 5.0 any faster then 4.0 C/D?

Someone at NewTek told me that LW 5.0 is slightly faster than 4.0 in
rendering.
>
> I'm also planning to get into video (Broadcast quality) So how
> are the (used) PAR and Perception compared? Also the prices!
> Will I'll be able to use the Sounblaster for sound? And will I
> be able to control the soundcard from the PAR/Perception software?
>
The Perception is the most popular choice for the moment. It's broadcast
quality and has one of the best image quality in the industry. The
Perception board is made-up of the playback module and the video capture
module.  You can get the whole thing for about $3,000 US.

One of the best thing about the Perception is its abillity to make its
video clips look like simple image sequences. For example, when you use
the file manager to browse through the Perception disks, at the root you
will see different directories representing different graphic formats
like TGA, IFF, JPEG, etc... When you go in TGA for example, you will see
 a directory for every video clip on the disk. When you enter one of
those, you will see a long sequence of images like Clip0001.TGA, Clip
0002.TGA, etc... Very usefull for animation packages like LightWave. LW
can load a TGA video resolution graphic from the Perception in less than
a second.

Hope this helps!!

Jean-Eric

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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Holinski)
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Subject: Re: LightWave 6.0 ?
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>From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
>Subject: Re: Lightwave 6.0 ?
>Date: 23 May 1996 14:54:12 -0400

>--------------------------------
>It is logical to assume that now that 5.0 is shipping, NewTek is gonna
>start working on 6.0 right ? Well, A friend of mine who is working for
>one of the big LightWave studios mentionned that they are about to start
>working on a Beta version of 6.0. Is it possible this new version could
>be availlable by the end of the year ?
>---------------------------------

>Depends how cash poor they get. The logical place to show or sell 6.0
>would be at SIGGRAPH in early August. They will certainly have enough new
>features by then to have at LEAST a sale-able '5.5' version if they want.
>They never STOP programming really, so it's not accurate to say they
>'started 6.0'. They just keep coding.

>Expect - 1) improved character animation features, because this is a
>constant hot button, 2) changes to the motion graph; this has been hinted
>at online, 3) improved  surfacing, again...a constant problem that needs
>addressing...

Maybe they'll even fix that damn lens flare bug that keeps crashing Layout.
   ;^)


Jeff H...


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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In article <[e-mail]> Elliot Bain <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Elliot Bain <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: LightWave notes from E3
>Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 23:02:30 -0400

[snip]
>At this juncture, I'm more than pleased with the emphasis Newtek is putting into
>the technical side of Lightwave. Since the company seems to have trouble
>multi-tasking, I'm content to see Lightwave moving forward with as few
>distractions as possible. Maybe a Corel scenario might work, but then there's the
>dongle and tech support. Both would be hard to overcome within Newtek.

>I really hate being negative about Newtek, because it's in my nature to see
>opportunity when others see disaster. But I've seen enough instances of superior
>products not living up to their potentials, to feel that Newtek can't overcome
>their weaknesses within their company. Their latest attempt to be trendy by using
>Java to control the PC Flyer only makes me feel more suspicious, rather than
>less.

>--
>Elliot Bain
>Laurell Creative Services
>614.459.4404

All good points - especially your point about action/reaction.  I just want to
point out that a dongled LiteWave would be a huge mistake.  At this price
point you make up for piracy with volume.  Maybe you use some kind of CD
protection or serial number scheme.  But definitely no dongle.

It is important to do what you do best.  That may be the best reason why
LiteWave is not a good idea.

Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
http://www.studio522.com         |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber

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Walter (Jay) Turberville (III) wrote:
>
>
> I wonder if NewTek could sell a bunch of LW-lite packagesat around $200-300.
> They would have to get into the major chains to have a chance.  They could
> use their Television credits to their advantage with this.  How about bundling
> it with a Miro type device.
>
> The downside is that they would have to be careful to make clear the
> difference between LW-Lite and the full version.  LiteWave?
>
> The big question would be what to actually include/exclude in such a package.
> Obviously, you drop Screamernet.  Ya gotta give 'em lensflares (but maybe
> fewer options).  Maybe you limit the import/export options, number of objects
> in a scene etc.  No OpenGl.  Make it LW 4.0 with some stuff trimmed off.
>
> On the one hand it seems a shame to cripple LW, on the other it may till the
> soil for a future market.  Someone mentioned the Corel product series and how
> they just keep selling the older versions at discounted prices.  Maybe this
> could work for NewTek?
>
> Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
> Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
> http://www.studio522.com         |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber

At one time, I thought that your suggestion would be the way for Newtek to get a
good growth spurt and give themselves a much needed capital infusion. I've
changed my opinion, but not because I don't think it wouldn't help.

From what I've seen over the last couple of years, I've come to the conclusion
that as long as the company is run by the current crowd, they couldn't sell bags
of gold at a $200 an ounce. Their bags would have been worm-eaten while waiting
to be filled, and then somebody would have forgotten to order new bags, and the
gold would still be sitting in their warehouses.

The management and marketing staff at Newtek seem to be inbred. They would have a
terrible time interacting in the free-wheeling world of retail. Imagine if they
actually released a LiteWave, and the tech support calls started coming in. If
tech support is bad now, think of the chaos when the masses started calling in.

Then there's the matter of reaction vs. action. There's no question that Newtek
was burned by the delays in providing a stable 4.0. So the reaction was to keep a
tight lid on 5.0. While they were keeping the lid on, others were building fires
under their products. Instead of acting to promote their new product, they were
reacting to the failures of the previous ones.

You've also got to wonder if they keep a mailing list. Well, I know they do, but
you have to wonder if they know what to do with one. Everybody with 4.0, raise
your hands if you received an update/upgrade notice!

At this juncture, I'm more than pleased with the emphasis Newtek is putting into
the technical side of Lightwave. Since the company seems to have trouble
multi-tasking, I'm content to see Lightwave moving forward with as few
distractions as possible. Maybe a Corel scenario might work, but then there's the
dongle and tech support. Both would be hard to overcome within Newtek.

I really hate being negative about Newtek, because it's in my nature to see
opportunity when others see disaster. But I've seen enough instances of superior
products not living up to their potentials, to feel that Newtek can't overcome
their weaknesses within their company. Their latest attempt to be trendy by using
Java to control the PC Flyer only makes me feel more suspicious, rather than
less.

--
Elliot Bain
Laurell Creative Services
614.459.4404

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> SK> [ A great deal of nonsensical ranting deleted ]
>
> SK> > I have made sure that everything in in 3D rather than simple planes.
> SK> > 3. Shift-B, Subtract.
> SK> > 4. Save the layer into Layout and render ...
> SK> > 5. Vola! Just a simple BOX instead of ANY CUT-OUTS!!!
>
> SK> Perhaps you should read the manual.  You claim to have done this, but
> SK> your steps above are not what the manual tells you to do, so either you
> SK> did not actually read it, or you ignored what it said.
>
> SK>   - steve
> -----------------
> This is a typical smart-ass response that I would have exspected someone to
> reply to your message. I know the feeling of not being able to figure
> something out that seems to be SOOO simple. I too also use SPro on the Mac and
> love it. Instead of helping someone out, this guy just mouths off, like he's
> never had a problem that he couldn't figure out and yet every one else knew
> how to do it.

Couldn't agree more. There are too many  arrogant smart-asses on this group.
If this guy didn't want to be civil he shouldn't reply!! Luckily there
are still a lot of people on this group who realise that not everyone is an
expert and are willing to help. Fuck the rest of them.

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On 20 May 1996 11:23:05 -0700, [e-mail] (Tom Dawson) wrote:

>>Any have a SIMPLE way to create a LAZER beam?
>
>Two point polygon. Set luminance to 100%.
>

Try using a 2 or 3 point polygon and these settings

glow @ 100% , radius @ 8 pixels (for 640*480 resolution)
luminosity @ 100%
diffuse level @ 100%
specular level @ 100%
reflectivity @ 0%
transparency @ 0%, Edge TRANSPARENT
and turn on glow

Experiment with the diffuse and glow settings but the above looks
pretty good.

The key to this technique is the transparent edge setting which gives
the beam a non-solid look.


Let me know how you get on.

Good luck


Steve

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On Wed, 22 May 1996 18:26:08, [e-mail] (Brian Sassounian) wrote:

)>Question:
)>
)>    In windows 95, how the hell do you set the default in the
)>folders to be list, instead of those crappy big icons? this is
)>really pissing me off... well thanks a lot. also, anybody have
)>a registered or good html editor? im looking for one..bye.
)>
)>            Brian Sassounian
)>
)>p.s. email any new kickass fonts like kiddie, randsom, or kickass
)>fonts.
)>pps. check out my web page at
)>http://members.tripod.com/~brian67/index.html
)>it kixx ass too
)>ppps. why the hell are there no messages in this newsgroup?
)>ppps. How do I rename a font? can't do it in win95.
)>pppps.: ok ill shutup now.